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However I have seen first hand a number of people change because of it. It's almost like they joined the popular kids" group and have no need for their old friends.
It is nice in a way, perhaps if it was kept private it would be cool. But to publicly display it is not a good idea. You'll start to be judged by the numbers eventually. I know I'm not a great artist by no means but I know my art gets discarded because my main page has only 1,700 or so views. Alot of people on there will pass up your page unless you have over 5,000. The only people that get that sort of attention are anime fan art artists.I think eliminating that variable will help less mainstream artists get more attention(or help on things in my case). It's really sickening what has happened there the last few years, It's turned into an art themed myspace. Everyone is in it for the popularity aspect and not for the art. I'd hate to see that happen here....
Yeah, basically many people didn't believe me about the whole "page view popularity contest" ideology, but anyone familiar with DA knows how god-awful it is in that regard.
On the other hand, I know exactly what you mean when you say "The only people that get that sort of attention are anime fan art artists." A major flaw with DeviantART is that the separate user communities within (and their collective styles) are often lost in the stream of content. Whenever I've gone there, the site seems absolutely dominated by anime, which is not everyone's favorite art form. Most of the delay experienced by us in getting the new software up and running is the inclusion of a very complex filtering system that I've been working on. My basic concept was that the subgroups of the community shouldn't have to be at odds with one-another in competing for dominance, and that they should all be able to coexist seamlessly. To allow that, users will be given the ability to totally filter the site based on their own viewing preferences. It's sort of hard to explain, but in short, you can effectively tell sv to not show you entire genres, select users, and tag-based values. Similarly, you can override the exclusion filters to fine-tune the art you're shown as you use the site. My goal is for a totally personalized experience, aiming to bring the lesser-seen art to the people who will appreciate it most.
DeviantART is overrun with 13 year old anime fan art artists that think that style is the only style. I told one once that I thought they were a great artist but should be putting their talent towards original art. Bad idea...The next thing I know I'm being flooded by hate mail from their watchers. I've never had my art attacked like that before! I had to eventually make a new account to get away from them. I've even left nice comments on someones coloring style and gave me a wonderful reply. "Yeah, go away your opinion doesn't matter."
I was worried this place would eventually fall apart like that. Thankfully it seems you guys are aware of that possibility and have already come up with some excellent solutions. I'm really liking the sound of this filtering system.
Out of curiosity, hows the new software coming along? I'm quite interested in seeing how you implement some of these features.
Oh and I'm working on getting some new faces in here. I like where this place is going.
Also, I am make animations, do photo manipulations and draw. I want to be able to know which style is getting the most attention so I can make more art in that area.
I am on DA and agree with the 13 year old anime fan art thing, but that has nothing to do with page views. I think that belongs some where else.
Summing up, I would like page views as I find that they help me as an artist.
nisforstupid on February 18th, 2008 at 8:07:20 PM
I second that. All page views do is corrupt people. Thats one of the main reasons I came here from DA.Keith on February 19th, 2008 at 2:28:16 AM
I don't see how having a little number in the corner would hurt or help, but then again, I have no idea how it works at DA. Never been there. Does it base a "score" of some type off of them?nisforstupid on February 19th, 2008 at 2:04:59 PM
What happens is it becomes a contest. They get so obsessed with the number of people looking at their art. Then they start getting an ego boost. After that they think if they have more views than you that your an inferior artist. It's horrible over there, no one cares about the art anymore, just how many views they can get.Keith on February 19th, 2008 at 8:18:56 PM
Well the deal with the ego is the individual's personal problem, not the little number's. There's nothing wrong with satisfying a bit of curiosity. People can get an ego boost off of all sorts of things. Not for bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to know how many people are viewing particular images of yours?nisforstupid on February 19th, 2008 at 10:07:34 PM
You think it would be a personal issue...However I have seen first hand a number of people change because of it. It's almost like they joined the popular kids" group and have no need for their old friends.
It is nice in a way, perhaps if it was kept private it would be cool. But to publicly display it is not a good idea. You'll start to be judged by the numbers eventually. I know I'm not a great artist by no means but I know my art gets discarded because my main page has only 1,700 or so views. Alot of people on there will pass up your page unless you have over 5,000. The only people that get that sort of attention are anime fan art artists.I think eliminating that variable will help less mainstream artists get more attention(or help on things in my case). It's really sickening what has happened there the last few years, It's turned into an art themed myspace. Everyone is in it for the popularity aspect and not for the art. I'd hate to see that happen here....
maiden-light on February 20th, 2008 at 9:27:55 PM
Yeah, actually, now that I think of it, that's a really good idea, Nisforstupid. How about having the number of pageviews that you receive to only be viewable to the artist? That would be beneficial not only so you can take notice if anyone is actually looking at your work, but it would also vanquish a lot of those pre-conceived ideas one gets when they're looking at your page, thus making it far less of a popularity contest. The person browsing will get to see the artist for THEIR WORK, which really is what it's all about.Yeah, basically many people didn't believe me about the whole "page view popularity contest" ideology, but anyone familiar with DA knows how god-awful it is in that regard.
Keith on February 21st, 2008 at 1:27:14 AM
Doesn't that still preserve the likelihood of inflated ego? The initial argument may have been plausible for particular people (which I wouldn't put much stock in, as I don't think the type of people here would think they're superior for page view numbers), but making it private wouldn't change what you're afraid of happening. And on the other point, whoever is judging art based on a little number doesn't have a valuable opinion in the first place. People will think what they will regardless. I highly doubt people will look at a stunning piece, for example, and then notice 0 page views and suddenly call it garbage. And if they do, their opinion really shouldn't matter to you, should it? I'm not saying keeping it private is a bad thing either, as I'm not too concerned about the ego thing in the first place.Brian on February 21st, 2008 at 1:45:31 AM
The new software I'm developing does indeed have image and profile view counters. I think they're informative pieces of information and beyond the personal flaws of users finding them more important than the art itself, I see no reason to strip the feature. Like Dwight said, the people who are basing a piece's value on a view counter are people whose opinions don't matter anyway.On the other hand, I know exactly what you mean when you say "The only people that get that sort of attention are anime fan art artists." A major flaw with DeviantART is that the separate user communities within (and their collective styles) are often lost in the stream of content. Whenever I've gone there, the site seems absolutely dominated by anime, which is not everyone's favorite art form. Most of the delay experienced by us in getting the new software up and running is the inclusion of a very complex filtering system that I've been working on. My basic concept was that the subgroups of the community shouldn't have to be at odds with one-another in competing for dominance, and that they should all be able to coexist seamlessly. To allow that, users will be given the ability to totally filter the site based on their own viewing preferences. It's sort of hard to explain, but in short, you can effectively tell sv to not show you entire genres, select users, and tag-based values. Similarly, you can override the exclusion filters to fine-tune the art you're shown as you use the site. My goal is for a totally personalized experience, aiming to bring the lesser-seen art to the people who will appreciate it most.
nisforstupid on February 21st, 2008 at 3:18:27 PM
DeviantART is overrun with 13 year old anime fan art artists that think that style is the only style. I told one once that I thought they were a great artist but should be putting their talent towards original art. Bad idea...The next thing I know I'm being flooded by hate mail from their watchers. I've never had my art attacked like that before! I had to eventually make a new account to get away from them. I've even left nice comments on someones coloring style and gave me a wonderful reply. "Yeah, go away your opinion doesn't matter."
I was worried this place would eventually fall apart like that. Thankfully it seems you guys are aware of that possibility and have already come up with some excellent solutions. I'm really liking the sound of this filtering system.
Out of curiosity, hows the new software coming along? I'm quite interested in seeing how you implement some of these features.
Oh and I'm working on getting some new faces in here. I like where this place is going.
maiden-light on February 21st, 2008 at 8:54:50 PM
I can see how the filtering option certainly solves the issue with a much better approach. I look forward to finally being able to see a much wider spectrum of work.Deleted User on December 6th, 2009 at 2:11:49 AM
okay, here we go. I think that page views are great. I don't get an ego boost as such when i get 34 views a day, I feel that I am actually being watched, which give me the initiative to keep going as an artist. I don't want to go to a site where I don't know if anyone will even see my art!Also, I am make animations, do photo manipulations and draw. I want to be able to know which style is getting the most attention so I can make more art in that area.
I am on DA and agree with the 13 year old anime fan art thing, but that has nothing to do with page views. I think that belongs some where else.
Summing up, I would like page views as I find that they help me as an artist.
maiden-light on December 31st, 1969 at 5:00:00 PM
Unlike other suggestions, which ask for more features, I am actually wishing that you do not have at least one, and that would be pageviews. Why? Deviantart (among other sites, but this one most predominately) has become a popularity contest, and getting two bigillion people looking at your page doesn't always correlate to how great of an artist you are, I've found, though having a profile page would be a nice addition.